Very interesting post. I agree that the starch diet sounds very promising. A lot of people on r/saturatedfat seem to basically be doing ex150starchdiet, with a small amount of beef + mostly starch.
I do wonder how your weight loss curve will go. Mine was pretty much exponential decay with plateaus of various length. I'd be surprised if you could just easily go down to abs, haha. But maybe?
Bodybuilding lore says 10% is where the body really starts fighting against fat loss, so we will see. If I follow the adipose flux fat loss curve while not losing lean mass, I consider that a significant innovation, and if it stops at ~10% then we know that the lore is on to something.
But with the 'obese people are protein sparing' video, the study that brad is using is this one: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/j.1550-8528.1999.tb00720.x and it seems like their model lean person is %12 BF? And a bunch of other graphs elsewhere is following some other suspiciously similar adipose flux style exponential graphs, and according to those graphs I'm already well beyond the inflection point and I would be more in the 'lean mode' than the 'obese mode' based on my numbers already, and I saw these effects while starting at 30% and going to ~24% BF.
So on the combo of all the above info, I suspect I will actually continue this pattern on a starch heavy diet until about 10% BF.
In my experience, for people who have been significantly overweight or obese, the "plateaus" start long, long before 10% bf. I'd say I don't know of anyone who went from morbidly/very obese to 10%, at all. Maybe someone who also did a lot of bodybuilder style starving.
Most people don't even seem to get to normal weight by BMI, even those losing 50-100lbs.
My theory for why this is, is, of course, stored linoleic acid.
Excited to see your results! I think HCLPLF could work better than most diets for this, as it is naturally going to force the body to use a lot of the PUFAs you eat, instead of storing them.
FWIW, I've always been fairly persistently in the overweight band of BMI. I've only been in the obese band for a few months when my GF really got into baking and getting out of obese land wasn't difficult. Keeping out of overweight land has always been an issue for me although. I'm guessing BF% wise, it was around 30-35% is me on the heavier side other than those few months.
Hey, fabulous! Well done, and good luck with your app. It sounds like exactly the sort of thing that's needed.
Very interesting post. I agree that the starch diet sounds very promising. A lot of people on r/saturatedfat seem to basically be doing ex150starchdiet, with a small amount of beef + mostly starch.
I do wonder how your weight loss curve will go. Mine was pretty much exponential decay with plateaus of various length. I'd be surprised if you could just easily go down to abs, haha. But maybe?
Bodybuilding lore says 10% is where the body really starts fighting against fat loss, so we will see. If I follow the adipose flux fat loss curve while not losing lean mass, I consider that a significant innovation, and if it stops at ~10% then we know that the lore is on to something.
But with the 'obese people are protein sparing' video, the study that brad is using is this one: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/j.1550-8528.1999.tb00720.x and it seems like their model lean person is %12 BF? And a bunch of other graphs elsewhere is following some other suspiciously similar adipose flux style exponential graphs, and according to those graphs I'm already well beyond the inflection point and I would be more in the 'lean mode' than the 'obese mode' based on my numbers already, and I saw these effects while starting at 30% and going to ~24% BF.
So on the combo of all the above info, I suspect I will actually continue this pattern on a starch heavy diet until about 10% BF.
In my experience, for people who have been significantly overweight or obese, the "plateaus" start long, long before 10% bf. I'd say I don't know of anyone who went from morbidly/very obese to 10%, at all. Maybe someone who also did a lot of bodybuilder style starving.
Most people don't even seem to get to normal weight by BMI, even those losing 50-100lbs.
My theory for why this is, is, of course, stored linoleic acid.
Excited to see your results! I think HCLPLF could work better than most diets for this, as it is naturally going to force the body to use a lot of the PUFAs you eat, instead of storing them.
FWIW, I've always been fairly persistently in the overweight band of BMI. I've only been in the obese band for a few months when my GF really got into baking and getting out of obese land wasn't difficult. Keeping out of overweight land has always been an issue for me although. I'm guessing BF% wise, it was around 30-35% is me on the heavier side other than those few months.
Yea so could be that you're on a "lower plateau" than me (for whatever reason) and you might get down to 10-15% quite easily. Let's hope so :)